tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post1548503641005871433..comments2024-03-15T10:00:13.379+00:00Comments on SomersF1 - The technical side of Formula One: The blame gameMatthew Somerfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13759263537936706584noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-46136227813522663702015-09-04T13:13:40.526+01:002015-09-04T13:13:40.526+01:00Might have missed it but if we move Vettels Ca...Might have missed it but if we move Vettels Car one car width to the right, then wouldn't the left hand tyre be getting the same/similar abuse, but not be in any way considered breaching track limits or out of the ordinary ?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17633763543376816459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-23327567817991584832015-09-02T09:20:12.289+01:002015-09-02T09:20:12.289+01:00Firstly, I showed pictures of Stavelot and Malmedy...Firstly, I showed pictures of Stavelot and Malmedy as support that I refute Vettels claims that he did not run off the circuit, even if we delete Raidillion from the record.<br /><br />Secondly, I don't have the data or evidence to support what caused the failure I'm simply pointing out (once again) that being off the circuit, this time at Raidillion, is loading the tyre in a none linear Matthew Somerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13759263537936706584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-65320338621204806512015-09-01T14:16:31.858+01:002015-09-01T14:16:31.858+01:00I am absolutely no Vettel or Ferrari Fanboy, in fa...I am absolutely no Vettel or Ferrari Fanboy, in fact I pretty much hate Vettel and have never been a Ferrari fan. But Tyres should simply not fail in this explosive way, regardless of the cause (within reasonably good reason of course). Ever since I have watched F1 I don't recall a tyre exploding unpredictably without a real reason. Sure there have been the odd spectacular failure Mansell Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05470410848857928988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-9424006767966524142015-09-01T00:38:35.274+01:002015-09-01T00:38:35.274+01:00I see that you claim that Vettel's tire failur...I see that you claim that Vettel's tire failure was caused by him going off track, but then you present the images of Radillon, explaining the forces that affect the tire, but not why they caused the failure. You just showed us how the tire reacts in Radillon, nothing more. While the right rear is loaded going through the left hander at the top of the hill, notice that it is on the side of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-87930839891554442015-08-31T13:29:33.305+01:002015-08-31T13:29:33.305+01:00I think here we are missing something fundamental....I think here we are missing something fundamental.<br />For the sake of safety, its unnacceptable that the wear life of the tyre is te same as the fatigue life for its structure.<br />If there is a safety margin between those two, Seb would have suffered a high increase on lap time and reduction of grip forcing him to change tyres without risking an structural faillure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-29183319977351658982015-08-31T11:53:32.787+01:002015-08-31T11:53:32.787+01:00That`s a lot of effort on building a case against ...That`s a lot of effort on building a case against Vettel.<br />But its all useless because the fact is that Pirelli gave indications that the tires would be good for ~ 40 laps... which is 40 racing laps (this is important here) and that includes abusing them tires in the kerbs too. <br />I`m pretty sure that 40laps expectancy wasnt based on cruising slowly with Safety Car speed, if Vettel had Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-22879127428159665532015-08-29T08:42:50.448+01:002015-08-29T08:42:50.448+01:00yeah but most of the had a 2 stopper not 1yeah but most of the had a 2 stopper not 1diwanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15615693563514132932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-4786608072240522402015-08-29T06:58:20.484+01:002015-08-29T06:58:20.484+01:00Wow really, it's just an alternate opinion, pe...Wow really, it's just an alternate opinion, people like you should take a hike and have a big cry if you don't agree with the article. Pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-86891097431431346812015-08-29T00:19:17.506+01:002015-08-29T00:19:17.506+01:00With the differential nearly locked or at worst in...With the differential nearly locked or at worst in limited slip mode there shouldn't be that much over speed on the unloaded wheel or all drive would be lost the loaded wheel as you would see on a road car.Therefore when the wheel hits Terra Firma having been airborne there shouldn't be too much of a problem. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-56512621392414179092015-08-28T18:27:48.704+01:002015-08-28T18:27:48.704+01:00Well, it was obvious not that bad enough that Pire...Well, it was obvious not that bad enough that Pirelli used that kind of deformations as explenation for Vettel's accident. <br /><br />Especially such blow-outs would happen at the point of the largest deformation/stress on the trye and not several hundred meters after it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-11635441337568948392015-08-28T10:10:09.600+01:002015-08-28T10:10:09.600+01:00I wholeheartedly disagree that tyre degradation ha...I wholeheartedly disagree that tyre degradation has no place in the sport. As the race goes on I'm always watching the delta in tyres and thinking when would be best to come in pit. Additionally the variation in grip and tyre life by manufacturer and track temperature makes the strategy behind it that much greater.<br /><br />Without it Mercedes would be running at full trot unrestricted and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-78199811538794401372015-08-28T08:12:22.621+01:002015-08-28T08:12:22.621+01:00I'm not saying deformations are bad, what I...I'm not saying deformations are bad, what I'm saying is that inconsistent deformations, with high wheel spin due to unloading and then further deformations to the tyres shoulder whilst at a peak temperature are clearly going to take a toll.Matthew Somerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13759263537936706584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-44694548146589160652015-08-28T04:30:15.405+01:002015-08-28T04:30:15.405+01:00Shut the fuck upShut the fuck upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-54298409130432059252015-08-27T22:23:50.483+01:002015-08-27T22:23:50.483+01:00Good article, Matt. Great pictures. The deformat...Good article, Matt. Great pictures. The deformation around the wheel rim and in the side wall are indications of almost instantaneous high stress loading that are really hard to predict. The problem is that Pirelli are tasked with making the supposed race into something interesting. This is NOT racing - it is an invisible, somewhat unpredictable degradation of the tires that determines the bc in austinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-33850941448616003082015-08-27T19:39:51.383+01:002015-08-27T19:39:51.383+01:00Almost everyone on every lap cut the corner coming...Almost everyone on every lap cut the corner coming out of Radillion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-33140259620524272682015-08-27T19:20:30.661+01:002015-08-27T19:20:30.661+01:00Brave to take on the insane and fiercely loyal pra...Brave to take on the insane and fiercely loyal prancing pony fans, Matt :)<br /><br />I'm glad to see somebody call BS on the off track. <br /><br />I think Seb's and Nico's failures are different, and would be interested to see if Rosberg did indeed go off track like that a bit. TedShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02568218407570938413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-89281597023366431512015-08-27T18:39:06.583+01:002015-08-27T18:39:06.583+01:00Well, that are a little too many assumptions for m...Well, that are a little too many assumptions for my taste. <br /><br />But I'm really surprised that we are really at the point that tyre deformation (something that tyres are supposed to do for all kind of reasons like increasing the contact surface etc.) kills the tyres. <br /><br />Tyre deformation isn't bad per se (espencially in a F1 world where all factors and settings around the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-9534662525161261912015-08-27T18:21:40.236+01:002015-08-27T18:21:40.236+01:00He/Ferrari reduced the lifespan of the tyre by 12 ...He/Ferrari reduced the lifespan of the tyre by 12 laps (just over a third) I think by the nature of the abuse I have levelled (cutting Radillion at high speed and unloading the tyre before battering it against the sharp edge of the kerb it shouldnt hit) it could be responsible for some of that loss of life. Furthermore we return to the 40 lap argument, Hembery said 'around' 40 laps, thatMatthew Somerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13759263537936706584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-51861721785913736812015-08-27T18:06:51.553+01:002015-08-27T18:06:51.553+01:00The question is just why shouldn't a tyre not ...The question is just why shouldn't a tyre not stand such stress? As someone who worked on FEM simulations of tyres (not in the F1 field, and not an argument of authority (!)) The article lacks an explenation why what Vettel did is supposed to reduce the lifetime of the tyres in such a massive way (the 40laps statement is fact). <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2239944414177437471.post-45132524408999050892015-08-27T16:19:11.965+01:002015-08-27T16:19:11.965+01:00I think this is a more than fair assessment. Its s...I think this is a more than fair assessment. Its sad the level of flack that Pirelli continuous to receive from the sport when theyve built what the governing body had requested of them. Vettel for his part needs to review his mid race trips into the parking lot before he continues on this line of having done no wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com